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The soft eyecup is all I need when wearing glasses, it just touches my glasses lens with.
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I'm waiting for the 9mm to come back in stock in the market.
Currently using a 12.5" dob and a 4" apo refractor
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EYEPIECES: 2" - APM's. 1.25" - APM's, Morphei & BHZ + TV P2.
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My fastest scope is F5, and Morpheus is fine with it.j.gardavsky wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:10 pm This February, we have had a small shoot-out of the Morpheus EPs against my Pentax XW, and the Morphei have been within the 65°AFOV close to the Pentax, so far I can remember.
With their 77°larger AFOV they will be pretty much interesting for the long focus telescopes.
As above, try out before buying,
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There is actually one exception known to me, where the Morpheus 4.5mm is behind the Pentax XW 5mm:25585 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 5:41 pmMy fastest scope is F5, and Morpheus is fine with it.j.gardavsky wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:10 pm This February, we have had a small shoot-out of the Morpheus EPs against my Pentax XW, and the Morphei have been within the 65°AFOV close to the Pentax, so far I can remember.
With their 77°larger AFOV they will be pretty much interesting for the long focus telescopes.
As above, try out before buying,
JG
Don't use this 4.5 Morpheus on Mars through the Baader
It may be the case, that the spherical aberration (the Gaussian zone error) of the Morpheus optics is undercorrected on the long wavelengths.
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I was restraining myself from comments but since JG has started... I also prefer XWs over Morpheus. With Morpheus I can't get by how sensitive is the eye position. It was hard for me to hold it or move the eye around without getting blackouts. XWs on other hand feel very natural and relaxed. Could be the eyeguard design.j.gardavsky wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 5:53 pmThere is actually one exception known to me, where the Morpheus 4.5mm is behind the Pentax XW 5mm:25585 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 5:41 pmMy fastest scope is F5, and Morpheus is fine with it.j.gardavsky wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:10 pm This February, we have had a small shoot-out of the Morpheus EPs against my Pentax XW, and the Morphei have been within the 65°AFOV close to the Pentax, so far I can remember.
With their 77°larger AFOV they will be pretty much interesting for the long focus telescopes.
As above, try out before buying,
JG
Don't use this 4.5 Morpheus on Mars through the BaaderH-Alpha 35nm interference filter. Here is the Pentax XW 5mm sharper, as tested through a 10"Dob .
It may be the case, that the spherical aberration (the Gaussian zone error) of the Morpheus optics is undercorrected on the long wavelengths.
Best,
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This indicates you have not found the optimum distance for the eye from the lens, because the Morpheus lineup is not sensitive to eye placement at the right distance from the eyepiece. With the eyeguard extender, there are 2 heights for the winged eyeguard and 4 heights for the stock eyeguard.I was restraining myself from comments but since JG has started... I also prefer XWs over Morpheus. With Morpheus I can't get by how sensitive is the eye position. It was hard for me to hold it or move the eye around without getting blackouts. XWs on other hand feel very natural and relaxed. Could be the eyeguard design.
It is possible, by mixing and matching, to find the optimum setting of the eye and get to zero blackouts or sensitivity at the eyepiece.
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But, that applies to anyDon Pensack wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 9:00 pmThis indicates you have not found the optimum distance for the eye from the lens, because the Morpheus lineup is not sensitive to eye placement at the right distance from the eyepiece.I was restraining myself from comments but since JG has started... I also prefer XWs over Morpheus. With Morpheus I can't get by how sensitive is the eye position. It was hard for me to hold it or move the eye around without getting blackouts. XWs on other hand feel very natural and relaxed. Could be the eyeguard design.
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Long eye relief eyepieces used without glasses always require some experimentation to find the right position. Some LER eyepieces don't have a tall-enough eyecup for easy use, but the Baader Morpheus is not one of them. If the extender is added and the eyecup is flipped up, even people who prefer to have the eyecups touch their faces can use the Morpheus eyepieces without blackouts. With the eyecups in the Down position and no extender is added, the eyepieces will be suitable for glasses use at the eyepiece, but the non-glasses wearer will find the eyepieces difficult to use. The "effective" eye relief of the Morpheus eyepieces is longer than the "effective" eye reliefs of the XW series.Bigzmey wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 9:36 pmBut, that applies to anyDon Pensack wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 9:00 pmThis indicates you have not found the optimum distance for the eye from the lens, because the Morpheus lineup is not sensitive to eye placement at the right distance from the eyepiece.I was restraining myself from comments but since JG has started... I also prefer XWs over Morpheus. With Morpheus I can't get by how sensitive is the eye position. It was hard for me to hold it or move the eye around without getting blackouts. XWs on other hand feel very natural and relaxed. Could be the eyeguard design.EP . Once you find the right eye position theEP works. My point was that for some EPs finding and maintaining that right position is harder than for others. Well designed EPs should guide you to that position and it should be easy to dial-in right height for the eyeguard.
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Given how observer comments never seem to converge to a consensus relative to eye positioning sensitivity for various eyepieces, IMO the unique physiology of the observer's eye also probably contributes to how easy or hard it is to find and hold correct eye positioning. So whether an eyepiece is easy or difficult is likely not just due to optical characteristics and build ergonomic characteristics and user skill/abilities, but also probably impacted by the individual observer's eye physiology. I have and use both XWs and Morpheus as my primary wide-field eyepieces. I find both brands very easy and forgiving relative to eye placement and actually find the Morpheus a little better in that regard than the XWs. I generally never use eye guards when observing too, so almost always have them all the way down.Bigzmey wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:08 pm ... I also prefer XWs over Morpheus. With Morpheus I can't get by how sensitive is the eye position. It was hard for me to hold it or move the eye around without getting blackouts. XWs on other hand feel very natural and relaxed. Could be the eyeguard design.
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Obviously observing preferences and personal physiology contribute toWilliamPaolini wrote: ↑Mon Jun 21, 2021 5:46 pmGiven how observer comments never seem to converge to a consensus relative to eye positioning sensitivity for various eyepieces, IMO the unique physiology of the observer's eye also probably contributes to how easy or hard it is to find and hold correct eye positioning. So whether an eyepiece is easy or difficult is likely not just due to optical characteristics and build ergonomic characteristics and user skill/abilities, but also probably impacted by the individual observer's eye physiology. I have and use both XWs and Morpheus as my primary wide-field eyepieces. I find both brands very easy and forgiving relative to eye placement and actually find the Morpheus a little better in that regard than the XWs. I generally never use eye guards when observing too, so almost always have them all the way down.Bigzmey wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:08 pm ... I also prefer XWs over Morpheus. With Morpheus I can't get by how sensitive is the eye position. It was hard for me to hold it or move the eye around without getting blackouts. XWs on other hand feel very natural and relaxed. Could be the eyeguard design.
No EPs are perfect, I thought it will be useful for people considering Morpheus to hear about mine and similar experiences.
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Reading bird forums, Vixen LVWs & LV series were popular in their day, both were also glasses friendly. Those others are well liked too,
Astro use exclusive eyepieces seem to be more lab-perfect as for microscope optics, but field use conditions and ergonomics often seem to play as secondary or less considerations in their design. Telescopes are of course microscopes on the cosmos, so need quality at eye end, but the scientists who do designing often seem to be more bent on achievement of product perfection, than of end user ease.
I find there is a parallell with the fashion industry & its consumers. You make your Armani & Boss fit, put up with inconvenience to wear/use "the best".
Baader Morpheus may not be for optics élitists, but they are good functional, immersive, optically excellent and very very usable.
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25585 - I see in your sig line you have I R Poyser eyepieces. Which ones?
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I, for one, am thankful of that. LER and wide fields have their market. I have a few, mostly for sharing a view with others. But, call me an optical elitist if you will, optical perfection is what I value most. I don't buy optics with the idea of not seeing something comfortably.25585 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 23, 2021 2:35 pm ..........
Astro use exclusive eyepieces seem to be more lab-perfect as for microscope optics, but field use conditions and ergonomics often seem to play as secondary or less considerations in their design. Telescopes are of course microscopes on the cosmos, so need quality at eye end, but the scientists who do designing often seem to be more bent on achievement of product perfection, than of end user ease.
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They are the 35mm Plossl EP1s. Long eye relief and good light transmission. Very good for binoviewing.WilliamPaolini wrote: ↑Wed Jun 23, 2021 5:41 pm Please excuse this off-topic question...
25585 - I see in your sig line you have I R Poyser eyepieces. Which ones?
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Eye positioning is one factor, eye positioning and seeing the wholeDon Pensack wrote: ↑Sun Jun 20, 2021 2:16 pmLong eye relief eyepieces used without glasses always require some experimentation to find the right position. Some LER eyepieces don't have a tall-enough eyecup for easy use, but the Baader Morpheus is not one of them. If the extender is added and the eyecup is flipped up, even people who prefer to have the eyecups touch their faces can use the Morpheus eyepieces without blackouts. With the eyecups in the Down position and no extender is added, the eyepieces will be suitable for glasses use at the eyepiece, but the non-glasses wearer will find the eyepieces difficult to use. The "effective" eye relief of the Morpheus eyepieces is longer than the "effective" eye reliefs of the XW series.Bigzmey wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 9:36 pmBut, that applies to anyDon Pensack wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 9:00 pm
This indicates you have not found the optimum distance for the eye from the lens, because the Morpheus lineup is not sensitive to eye placement at the right distance from the eyepiece.EP . Once you find the right eye position theEP works. My point was that for some EPs finding and maintaining that right position is harder than for others. Well designed EPs should guide you to that position and it should be easy to dial-in right height for the eyeguard.
Why some optical designers can achieve this, but others with smaller AFOVs, seem unable &/or unwilling to, is a puzzlement.
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A useful booklet as it shows the adapters etc to fit with Baader's large range of accessories, and what is needed for use afocal applications.
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