Can somebody PLEEEZE explain why the orange tube C8 is such a big deal?
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Can somebody PLEEEZE explain why the orange tube C8 is such a big deal?
Yes, we know I am a superNewbie here and to shopping for telescopes.
And I see plenty of listings for C8's.
Also a LOT of dobs.
I'm having trouble deciding between a CST vs a Newtonian....
And understanding the cachet of the C8 will help me make up my mind.
Are they listed for sale because they aren't quite so purposeful as they used to be?
They certainly seem portable enough.
I just really am kind of overwhelmed by the market out there.
choosing the right anemometer wasn't this hard.....
Scopes; Tiny little Mak-Cass Celestron c90 spotter scope that lets me count the moons of Jupiter and with which I can see Saturns rings in Mickey Mouse phase
Old Meade 1000mm f/11 that was missing the finder scope and ring so I rigged one onto the barrel using duct tape and a bit of cardboard and that actually works and I can count the moons of Jupiter with this one too.
Meade 6" reflector,(really elderly), found at a yard sale, the tube is a bucket of rust and corroded mirror but the mount and tripod will be recoverable so hooray for that.
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Re: Can somebody PLEEEZE explain why the orange tube C8 is such a big deal?
Scopes; Tiny little Mak-Cass Celestron c90 spotter scope that lets me count the moons of Jupiter and with which I can see Saturns rings in Mickey Mouse phase
Old Meade 1000mm f/11 that was missing the finder scope and ring so I rigged one onto the barrel using duct tape and a bit of cardboard and that actually works and I can count the moons of Jupiter with this one too.
Meade 6" reflector,(really elderly), found at a yard sale, the tube is a bucket of rust and corroded mirror but the mount and tripod will be recoverable so hooray for that.
Cameras; Mamiya medium format 645 with a couple of polaroid backs and a series of wide angle to 50mm lenses
Konica-Minolta 35mm,Sony alpha dslr's, up to the a900 full frame, mostly got them used because I don't have much money.
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Re: Can somebody PLEEEZE explain why the orange tube C8 is such a big deal?
I would not hesitate to buy it used if it is in a good condition. Buying without controller is problematic because you can't test the mount to confirm functionality without the controller. On the other hand, used controllers come on the used market on occasion and if the price is good you can always use
I bought orange C8 as
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Scopes; Tiny little Mak-Cass Celestron c90 spotter scope that lets me count the moons of Jupiter and with which I can see Saturns rings in Mickey Mouse phase
Old Meade 1000mm f/11 that was missing the finder scope and ring so I rigged one onto the barrel using duct tape and a bit of cardboard and that actually works and I can count the moons of Jupiter with this one too.
Meade 6" reflector,(really elderly), found at a yard sale, the tube is a bucket of rust and corroded mirror but the mount and tripod will be recoverable so hooray for that.
Cameras; Mamiya medium format 645 with a couple of polaroid backs and a series of wide angle to 50mm lenses
Konica-Minolta 35mm,Sony alpha dslr's, up to the a900 full frame, mostly got them used because I don't have much money.
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Re: Can somebody PLEEEZE explain why the orange tube C8 is such a big deal?
The one I picked up happened to be complete and in mint condition with all the parts including the original tripod that is now very rare because they rusted so badly, it was usually the first part to be trashed. I rarely use mine because I cherish it for the childhood memories, So when I die and someone gets this it will be quite the find.
The Byer's drive was highly touted back in the day because of its accuracy in tracking at sidereal speed. Very common with today's modern electronics so not such a big deal.
Don't confuse the original orange tube with the modern orange tube Celestron's. Optically, the new scopes are probably better. But the new scopes also have a lot more plastic parts on them that the original used metal.
If you are planning on actually using the scope and not just using it as decoration, I would get a newer scope. Link to newer orange tube C-8 - https://www.celestron.com/products/nexs ... -telescope
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And a bit less fiddly than a reflector.
This seems like sort of an hybrid... I gather that it resolves colour and detail pretty well!
I think right now I want to get enough scope for a reasonable price to carry me a ways, that I can "tart it up" a bit with a few objectives and a nicer mount,(I think I may have to start with the old Meade wooden
I wish I can afford a 10 inch of these!
I think we may have to settle for the 8, if I decide on the Celestron "hybrid".
*sighs and ducks the shoes that were hurled at the use of "hybrid"*
Scopes; Tiny little Mak-Cass Celestron c90 spotter scope that lets me count the moons of Jupiter and with which I can see Saturns rings in Mickey Mouse phase
Old Meade 1000mm f/11 that was missing the finder scope and ring so I rigged one onto the barrel using duct tape and a bit of cardboard and that actually works and I can count the moons of Jupiter with this one too.
Meade 6" reflector,(really elderly), found at a yard sale, the tube is a bucket of rust and corroded mirror but the mount and tripod will be recoverable so hooray for that.
Cameras; Mamiya medium format 645 with a couple of polaroid backs and a series of wide angle to 50mm lenses
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Re: Can somebody PLEEEZE explain why the orange tube C8 is such a big deal?
The best scope is the one which you don't hesitate to use. When it gets too large and heavy to handle comfortably you will start skipping clear nights.
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Re: Can somebody PLEEEZE explain why the orange tube C8 is such a big deal?
Things that I am reading suggest that the colour and detail may be better with the
Or is this not accurate?
Scopes; Tiny little Mak-Cass Celestron c90 spotter scope that lets me count the moons of Jupiter and with which I can see Saturns rings in Mickey Mouse phase
Old Meade 1000mm f/11 that was missing the finder scope and ring so I rigged one onto the barrel using duct tape and a bit of cardboard and that actually works and I can count the moons of Jupiter with this one too.
Meade 6" reflector,(really elderly), found at a yard sale, the tube is a bucket of rust and corroded mirror but the mount and tripod will be recoverable so hooray for that.
Cameras; Mamiya medium format 645 with a couple of polaroid backs and a series of wide angle to 50mm lenses
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Re: Can somebody PLEEEZE explain why the orange tube C8 is such a big deal?
The EdgeHD line of
I almost always recommend for people that are interested in getting into astrophotography to start out with a small wide-field refractor. They are much more forgiving to mount and operator errors.
If you insist on buying a longer focal length reflector, look at a regular
Also, you need to consider the payload capacity of your mount (You didn't mention the specific mount, just the brand and type.) For most mounts, the suggested payload capacity that the manufacturers list is usually for visual work. For imaging you can cut that rating down to about 60%.
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You will NOT see any color in any scope smaller than 18" (some folks say all the way to 30") except for very blue planetary nebulas (they don't count).
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Re: Can somebody PLEEEZE explain why the orange tube C8 is such a big deal?
As JT already mentioned. Forget about seeing color in non-stellar objects. That's not going to happen. I looked at M42, the Orion nebula which is extremely bright through a very fast 24"
You will see colors in stars and planets, but not galaxies and nebulae.
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Re: Can somebody PLEEEZE explain why the orange tube C8 is such a big deal?
I studied meteorology.
So, OF COURSE I am a glutton for punishment.
lol
Well I don't know the model of the Meade wooden tripod/equatorial mount because it seems to be CREAKINGLY old. But the mount head is smooth and pans correctly and without catchiness or noise. I think, with some tlc and elbow grease I can make the wooden tripod nice again. It even has all the wingnuts and adjustments knobs!
I hear what you are saying about carts and hosses,(lol again), and shall take your guidance quite seriously.
I have found some pretty decent offerings in the used market and I think I will aim my budget in that direction, save up for that 150,000 buck observatory grade scope for when I live in a very dark desert setting someday....
No, seriously, start with something that will give me a good idea about how much pursuit of photography I want to do, then make decisions about upgrades or other scopes from there.
As for colour; I want to SEE the colours of Jupiter. Planet colours YES!!!
I want to SEEEEE Saturns rings in much better detail than I am seeing now through my Skymaster binocs.
I want an
At least I own my own place lol.
*edited because my typos create a grammar of their very own.
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Old Meade 1000mm f/11 that was missing the finder scope and ring so I rigged one onto the barrel using duct tape and a bit of cardboard and that actually works and I can count the moons of Jupiter with this one too.
Meade 6" reflector,(really elderly), found at a yard sale, the tube is a bucket of rust and corroded mirror but the mount and tripod will be recoverable so hooray for that.
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Have fun.
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Re: Can somebody PLEEEZE explain why the orange tube C8 is such a big deal?
What JT and AstroBee say with a minor modification. For the most parts you will not see colors in galaxies and nebulae in armature scopes. However, there are a few targets where you could see shades of color. They will not be as rich as in photos. More like a tint. I saw pale green or blue in a few planetary nebulae and on one night when the viewing conditions were perfect I saw the Ring Nebulae in color from blue in the middle to yellow and red on side, but again they were very pale colors.AstroBee wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 10:22 pmAs JT already mentioned. Forget about seeing color in non-stellar objects. That's not going to happen. I looked at M42, the Orion nebula which is extremely bright through a very fast 24"Dob once. It was breathtakingly bright, but no color. Even using averted-imagination!
You will see colors in stars and planets, but not galaxies and nebulae.
Stars is different story, many have bright and beautiful colors and a good quality scope can enhance those colors.
Generally speaking larger
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Wait, I said planetary nebulas didn't count!
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Re: Can somebody PLEEEZE explain why the orange tube C8 is such a big deal?
Yes, you did, sorry. But why they don't count?
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Because those few planetary nebula that exhibit color are small, dense, and bright enough to excite the rods in your eyeballs. These very few planetary nebula are the exception not the rule. When we say "we see color" it makes it sound like it's across the board and that's just not true
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Re: Can somebody PLEEEZE explain why the orange tube C8 is such a big deal?
The Orange C8's, as others have mentioned, are mostly a nostalgia thing with older astronomers. Optically, they are ok but not outstanding and any modern version will be equivalent or better in the case of the Edge 8" version. When they were first released in the 1970's, they were somewhat revolutionary and offeredAstroBee wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 10:22 pmAs JT already mentioned. Forget about seeing color in non-stellar objects. That's not going to happen. I looked at M42, the Orion nebula which is extremely bright through a very fast 24"Dob once. It was breathtakingly bright, but no color. Even using averted-imagination!
You will see colors in stars and planets, but not galaxies and nebulae.
Do not "forget about seeing colour in non-stellar objects." But do not expect to see saturated colours pop out everytime you point the telescope.
Colour is visible in a couple of the brighter nebulae (Orion, Tarantula) however it is not just about the telescope
These nights when colour was visible are always nights of exceptional transparency and of course I have a very dark sky. Not an observation for suburban backyards. These observations of colour have been confirmed by more than one observer present at the time. We're not talking super saturated astrophoto colour, rather a dull faint rusty red subdued blues but colour nonetheless and on each occasion, confirmed by one or more other observers. I also agree that colours, blues and greens are visible in many planetary nebulae.
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