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A dobsonian will be a good choice for what you are looking for.
If € 500 is your budget I would recommend something like the Omegon 150 mm here: https://www.astroshop.eu/telescopes/ome ... 00/p,50124
It is a versatile telescope and will show you a lot.
It does not come with the greatest eyepieces so you may have to get at least 1 wide field low power eyepiece to start with.
If you can extend the budget some more a 203 mm is a great deep sky telescope.
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You may want to visit an astro party of a local club to see if you like visual observing. A
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However, I was troubled by the fact that regardless of the telescope, distant objects appear as gray smudges. Unfortunately, I don't have any opportunities with the nearby astronomy club to go see and have an opinion.
Also will I need some specific base to observe distant objects due to the fact that the further away the faster they will leave my field of view?
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To do that you would require a equatorial mount which is considerably more expensive.
You could try imaging the brighter
Most deep sky objects appear as smudges but with time you learn to train your eyes to see the various details like dust lanes, variations in brightness.
Visually you will never see a image even remotely close to a ESA image
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The design is simple so all of the cost goes into the mirrored surfaces.
You get a very nice, capable telescope at a low price.
If you have not done visual astronomy before I would not recommend going for something more expensive at the start.
Ease into the hobby and enjoy learning the objects you like to view.
Once you have been at it for a year, then think about if you need to upgrade to suit what you want to do.
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Have you considered
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Ok it's not impossible for crazy people: A better way might be using an equatorial platform, of which I have built one too, dual axis and autoguidable.
Like Lady Frac says, tracking is the issue. This can be done with an equatorial mount, or with an Alt/Az mount taking short exposures. Either way the tracking must be accurate to about 1 arc second. For that, an autoguider is almost an inevitable necessity. I am working on getting my
If you are not interested in dark smudges, then I recommend going to a star party first before you spend your money. Even the brightest deep sky objects are smudges. Personally, I still find them interesting enough to own a
For deep sky astrophotography, lucky enough you don't need much magnification. Recently there have been a slew of small telescopes with 50 to 70 mm
I would still recommend getting a
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From what I understand, it's better not to spend a large amount on the first telescope and to get something that will make me learn the sky and learn what I want from a telescope, especially if I don't manage to be at some star-party or something similar to have an idea before I buy something.
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Given your stated budget, I agree with most of the others who have recommended an 8-10"
The human eye has two sets of light receptors, cones give us our colour vision in bright light, rods are many thousands of times more sensitive for our night vision but are monochromatic. If you see colour through a telescope, it's because the object is bright enough to activate your cones. You see colour in some stars, planets. In my 18" telescope, I can only see the very faintest hint of red on a couple of the brightest nebulae. You will never see the sort of colour you see in photographs, even those taken with small amateur telescopes.
That does not mean you can't get a lot of enjoyment from an 8-10" telescope. You will need to recalibrate your expectations away from the spectacular colour photographs you see online. Under a dark sky, nebulae galaxies and globular clusters will come to life, just not in colour. The fine deatil and nuances you see are in the light, not the colour. In a light polluted city, the Moon, planets, double stars, and open star clusters should be your prime targets. Deep sky objects will be disappointing regardless of the size of the telescope. It's a simple problem of contrast, that the brightness of the nebula does not exceed the brightness of the sky in the city.
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If it is a solid tube, you can buy tube rings and a saddle plate and mount it to a heavy dutyEthan wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:05 pm Thank you everyone very much for your answers i appreciate it. I found a ''skywatcher dobsonian 8" pyrex'' used at 400€ and i'm thinking to buy it. In the feature can i use another mount to use the same telescope for astrophotography or is it better to go to something else?
1. The focus point on a visual instrument is usually too close to the tube to allow
2. The focuser on that telescope will probably not be sufficient quality to allow accurate focus and support of a heavy
3. The telescope tube, spider holding the secondary, or primary mirror cell, might not be strong enough to hold the image steady. Flexure is a problem with Newtonians. If the secondary moves during the exposure the stars will move even if the drive is accurate.
4. The focal length will be quite long. It's much easier to start and learn astrophotography with shorter camera lenses and short focus refractors then work your way up to long focal length astrophotography.
As has been mentioned, this is a good instrument for the visual observing you stated in your original post. Astrophotography is a specialised area and the equipment required is different.
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How expensive is to ship to your location? It seems that new 8" DOBs sell under 400€.Ethan wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 10:05 pm Thank you everyone very much for your answers i appreciate it. I found a ''skywatcher dobsonian 8" pyrex'' used at 400€ and i'm thinking to buy it. In the feature can i use another mount to use the same telescope for astrophotography or is it better to go to something else?
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You will be able to get some decent photos with a cell phone camera with a little patience, they even sell phone holders to help
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