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Don't worry Brett. I took it as support, not you liking the dead scope.KingNothing13 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2019 5:33 pmD'oh.
(I realized I "liked" this BEFORE I saw the broken glass - and I do not see a way to "unlike". I DO NOT LIKE THAT YOUR NEW SCOPE SHATTERED. SORRY!
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Diagonals: Baader: BBHS mirror, Zeiss Spec T2 prism, Clicklock dielectric; TeleVue: Evebrite dielectric; AltairAstro: 2" prism.
Filters: Lumicon: DeepSky, UHC, OIII, H-beta; Baader: Moon & SkyGlow, Contrast Booster, UHC-S, 6-color set; Astronomik: UHC.
Solar: HA: Lunt 50mm single stack, W/L: Meade Herschel wedge.
Observing: DSOs: 3122 (Completed: Messier, Herschel 1, 2, 3. In progress: H2,500: 2196, S110: 77). Doubles: 2461, Comets: 34, Asteroids: 261
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Refractors: ES AR152 f/6.5 Achromat on Twilight II, Celestron 102mm XLT f/9.8 on Celestron Heavy Duty Alt Az mount, KOWA 90mm spotting scope
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My firstBikerdib wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2019 6:07 pm Don't you hate when that happens?
My upgrade from the previous ES CF 127mm triplet was to a ES CF 152mm triplet with a Feathertouch. Both scopes performe(d) exceptionally. While both of my Edge SCT scopes perform very well, they cannot match the pinpoint stars, star color or contrast the 152 provides.
I hope you get the situation corrected quickly. I hate to tell you this but, you will miss the 127mm...
BTW, how 152CF compares to 127CF? Anything you liked more about 127CF?
Mounts: SW: SkyTee2, AzGTi; iOptron: AZMP; ES: Twilight I; Bresser: EXOS2; UA: MicroStar.
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Diagonals: Baader: BBHS mirror, Zeiss Spec T2 prism, Clicklock dielectric; TeleVue: Evebrite dielectric; AltairAstro: 2" prism.
Filters: Lumicon: DeepSky, UHC, OIII, H-beta; Baader: Moon & SkyGlow, Contrast Booster, UHC-S, 6-color set; Astronomik: UHC.
Solar: HA: Lunt 50mm single stack, W/L: Meade Herschel wedge.
Observing: DSOs: 3122 (Completed: Messier, Herschel 1, 2, 3. In progress: H2,500: 2196, S110: 77). Doubles: 2461, Comets: 34, Asteroids: 261
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Thanks Michael! Most of my scopes were shipped in, all came in a great shape. This is the first one, and man they really did it. The bubble wrapping around the scope was at least foot thick. It must felt off the track.helicon wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2019 6:39 pm I'm really sorry about that Andrey. When I got my AR152 used it was sent from a UPS store who packed it carefully in bubble wrap and styrofoam peanuts surrounding that. It arrived unscathed but I feel lucky, hope the process of getting a refund is not too hard. I'm still looking forward to reading some of your observing reports done with that big baby.
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Binos: APM: 100-90 APO; Canon: IS 15x50; Orion: Binoviewer, LG II 15x70, WV 10x50, Nikon: AE 16x50, 10x50, 8x40.
EPs: Pentax: XWs & XFs; TeleVue: Delites, Delos, Panoptic & Plossls; ES: 68, 62; Vixen: SLVs; Baader: BCOs, Aspherics, Mark IV.
Diagonals: Baader: BBHS mirror, Zeiss Spec T2 prism, Clicklock dielectric; TeleVue: Evebrite dielectric; AltairAstro: 2" prism.
Filters: Lumicon: DeepSky, UHC, OIII, H-beta; Baader: Moon & SkyGlow, Contrast Booster, UHC-S, 6-color set; Astronomik: UHC.
Solar: HA: Lunt 50mm single stack, W/L: Meade Herschel wedge.
Observing: DSOs: 3122 (Completed: Messier, Herschel 1, 2, 3. In progress: H2,500: 2196, S110: 77). Doubles: 2461, Comets: 34, Asteroids: 261
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From what I hear it is doable, but not at home. Since the corrector plate was shattered not from a direct hit (plastic cover is unscratched) but from an impact shock to the scope body, I would expect that other parts, like focuser, buffle tube, even primary could be damaged as well. In any case this up to the former owner to decide. I am getting full refund, he is left with broken scope.KingNothing13 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2019 6:27 pm is there no way to replace the corrective glass? Or is it "cost prohibitive" to try?
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Binos: APM: 100-90 APO; Canon: IS 15x50; Orion: Binoviewer, LG II 15x70, WV 10x50, Nikon: AE 16x50, 10x50, 8x40.
EPs: Pentax: XWs & XFs; TeleVue: Delites, Delos, Panoptic & Plossls; ES: 68, 62; Vixen: SLVs; Baader: BCOs, Aspherics, Mark IV.
Diagonals: Baader: BBHS mirror, Zeiss Spec T2 prism, Clicklock dielectric; TeleVue: Evebrite dielectric; AltairAstro: 2" prism.
Filters: Lumicon: DeepSky, UHC, OIII, H-beta; Baader: Moon & SkyGlow, Contrast Booster, UHC-S, 6-color set; Astronomik: UHC.
Solar: HA: Lunt 50mm single stack, W/L: Meade Herschel wedge.
Observing: DSOs: 3122 (Completed: Messier, Herschel 1, 2, 3. In progress: H2,500: 2196, S110: 77). Doubles: 2461, Comets: 34, Asteroids: 261
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Thanks Don! It sad to see such a beautiful instrument to die prematurely, but that's life. On a positive side the former owner is handling situation superbly. Also, the owner of UPS store who packed the scope personally is as shocked as us, and helping to drive the claim.
Mounts: SW: SkyTee2, AzGTi; iOptron: AZMP; ES: Twilight I; Bresser: EXOS2; UA: MicroStar.
Binos: APM: 100-90 APO; Canon: IS 15x50; Orion: Binoviewer, LG II 15x70, WV 10x50, Nikon: AE 16x50, 10x50, 8x40.
EPs: Pentax: XWs & XFs; TeleVue: Delites, Delos, Panoptic & Plossls; ES: 68, 62; Vixen: SLVs; Baader: BCOs, Aspherics, Mark IV.
Diagonals: Baader: BBHS mirror, Zeiss Spec T2 prism, Clicklock dielectric; TeleVue: Evebrite dielectric; AltairAstro: 2" prism.
Filters: Lumicon: DeepSky, UHC, OIII, H-beta; Baader: Moon & SkyGlow, Contrast Booster, UHC-S, 6-color set; Astronomik: UHC.
Solar: HA: Lunt 50mm single stack, W/L: Meade Herschel wedge.
Observing: DSOs: 3122 (Completed: Messier, Herschel 1, 2, 3. In progress: H2,500: 2196, S110: 77). Doubles: 2461, Comets: 34, Asteroids: 261
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Definitely not something I would expect the average user to be able to accomplish. I am sure it blows past the line of diminishing returns!Bigzmey wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2019 8:36 pmFrom what I hear it is doable, but not at home. Since the corrector plate was shattered not from a direct hit (plastic cover is unscratched) but from an impact shock to the scope body, I would expect that other parts, like focuser, buffle tube, even primary could be damaged as well. In any case this up to the former owner to decide. I am getting full refund, he is left with broken scope.KingNothing13 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2019 6:27 pm is there no way to replace the corrective glass? Or is it "cost prohibitive" to try?
Glad for you that the previous owner is taking care of everything.
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The biggest (pun intended) difference was the shorter overall length and lighter weight of the 127 made it a little easier to transport. But the extra resolution and light gathering of the 152 outperforms in almost every other way. The one place the 127 was a pretty close match was on color of single stars of around 9th mag and brighter. Any dimmer though and the extra light gathering of the 152 puts it above.Bigzmey wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2019 8:21 pmMy firstBikerdib wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2019 6:07 pm Don't you hate when that happens?
My upgrade from the previous ES CF 127mm triplet was to a ES CF 152mm triplet with a Feathertouch. Both scopes performe(d) exceptionally. While both of my Edge SCT scopes perform very well, they cannot match the pinpoint stars, star color or contrast the 152 provides.
I hope you get the situation corrected quickly. I hate to tell you this but, you will miss the 127mm...ES scope was 102CF, I upgraded it to 127CF but really missed the little one. I am sure I will miss 127CF to. This is the circle of life.
BTW, how 152CF compares to 127CF? Anything you liked more about 127CF?
Don't get me wrong, if I wasn't in a position where I could have afforded the upgrade, the 127 would have been a lifetime scope.
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Good to hear! What mount do you use? Did you have to upgrade the mount to handle extra weight of 152CF?Bikerdib wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2019 11:54 pmThe biggest (pun intended) difference was the shorter overall length and lighter weight of the 127 made it a little easier to transport. But the extra resolution and light gathering of the 152 outperforms in almost every other way. The one place the 127 was a pretty close match was on color of single stars of around 9th mag and brighter. Any dimmer though and the extra light gathering of the 152 puts it above.Bigzmey wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2019 8:21 pmMy firstBikerdib wrote: ↑Wed Jun 19, 2019 6:07 pm Don't you hate when that happens?
My upgrade from the previous ES CF 127mm triplet was to a ES CF 152mm triplet with a Feathertouch. Both scopes performe(d) exceptionally. While both of my Edge SCT scopes perform very well, they cannot match the pinpoint stars, star color or contrast the 152 provides.
I hope you get the situation corrected quickly. I hate to tell you this but, you will miss the 127mm...ES scope was 102CF, I upgraded it to 127CF but really missed the little one. I am sure I will miss 127CF to. This is the circle of life.
BTW, how 152CF compares to 127CF? Anything you liked more about 127CF?
Don't get me wrong, if I wasn't in a position where I could have afforded the upgrade, the 127 would have been a lifetime scope.
Mounts: SW: SkyTee2, AzGTi; iOptron: AZMP; ES: Twilight I; Bresser: EXOS2; UA: MicroStar.
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Diagonals: Baader: BBHS mirror, Zeiss Spec T2 prism, Clicklock dielectric; TeleVue: Evebrite dielectric; AltairAstro: 2" prism.
Filters: Lumicon: DeepSky, UHC, OIII, H-beta; Baader: Moon & SkyGlow, Contrast Booster, UHC-S, 6-color set; Astronomik: UHC.
Solar: HA: Lunt 50mm single stack, W/L: Meade Herschel wedge.
Observing: DSOs: 3122 (Completed: Messier, Herschel 1, 2, 3. In progress: H2,500: 2196, S110: 77). Doubles: 2461, Comets: 34, Asteroids: 261
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A heavy scope like that should be protected by solid materials. Bubble wrap is flexible so if the scope falls face down, the bubble wrap will roll itself into a fist and shatter the plate.
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The whole experience was quite educational. I will definitely source my next used
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EPs: Pentax: XWs & XFs; TeleVue: Delites, Delos, Panoptic & Plossls; ES: 68, 62; Vixen: SLVs; Baader: BCOs, Aspherics, Mark IV.
Diagonals: Baader: BBHS mirror, Zeiss Spec T2 prism, Clicklock dielectric; TeleVue: Evebrite dielectric; AltairAstro: 2" prism.
Filters: Lumicon: DeepSky, UHC, OIII, H-beta; Baader: Moon & SkyGlow, Contrast Booster, UHC-S, 6-color set; Astronomik: UHC.
Solar: HA: Lunt 50mm single stack, W/L: Meade Herschel wedge.
Observing: DSOs: 3122 (Completed: Messier, Herschel 1, 2, 3. In progress: H2,500: 2196, S110: 77). Doubles: 2461, Comets: 34, Asteroids: 261
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At the end the whole experience with C11 turned out to be blessing in disguise. C11 was a bit too heavy for me. C9.25" is very comfortable to handle, and I hope that Edge optics delivers.
Mounts: SW: SkyTee2, AzGTi; iOptron: AZMP; ES: Twilight I; Bresser: EXOS2; UA: MicroStar.
Binos: APM: 100-90 APO; Canon: IS 15x50; Orion: Binoviewer, LG II 15x70, WV 10x50, Nikon: AE 16x50, 10x50, 8x40.
EPs: Pentax: XWs & XFs; TeleVue: Delites, Delos, Panoptic & Plossls; ES: 68, 62; Vixen: SLVs; Baader: BCOs, Aspherics, Mark IV.
Diagonals: Baader: BBHS mirror, Zeiss Spec T2 prism, Clicklock dielectric; TeleVue: Evebrite dielectric; AltairAstro: 2" prism.
Filters: Lumicon: DeepSky, UHC, OIII, H-beta; Baader: Moon & SkyGlow, Contrast Booster, UHC-S, 6-color set; Astronomik: UHC.
Solar: HA: Lunt 50mm single stack, W/L: Meade Herschel wedge.
Observing: DSOs: 3122 (Completed: Messier, Herschel 1, 2, 3. In progress: H2,500: 2196, S110: 77). Doubles: 2461, Comets: 34, Asteroids: 261
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