Binoviewers With 6" f5 Achro Vs 20x80 Achro Binoculars
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Mounts: SW: SkyTee2, AzGTi; iOptron: AZMP; ES: Twilight I; Bresser: EXOS2; UA: MicroStar.
Binos: APM: 100-90 APO; Canon: IS 15x50; Orion: Binoviewer, LG II 15x70, WV 10x50, Nikon: AE 16x50, 10x50, 8x40.
EPs: Pentax: XWs & XFs; TeleVue: Delites, Delos, Panoptic & Plossls; ES: 68, 62; Vixen: SLVs; Baader: BCOs, Aspherics, Mark IV.
Diagonals: Baader: BBHS mirror, Zeiss Spec T2 prism, Clicklock dielectric; TeleVue: Evebrite dielectric; AltairAstro: 2" prism.
Filters: Lumicon: DeepSky, UHC, OIII, H-beta; Baader: Moon & SkyGlow, Contrast Booster, UHC-S, 6-color set; Astronomik: UHC.
Solar: HA: Lunt 50mm single stack, W/L: Meade Herschel wedge.
Observing: DSOs: 3122 (Completed: Messier, Herschel 1, 2, 3. In progress: H2,500: 2196, S110: 77). Doubles: 2461, Comets: 34, Asteroids: 261
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Mounts: SW: SkyTee2, AzGTi; iOptron: AZMP; ES: Twilight I; Bresser: EXOS2; UA: MicroStar.
Binos: APM: 100-90 APO; Canon: IS 15x50; Orion: Binoviewer, LG II 15x70, WV 10x50, Nikon: AE 16x50, 10x50, 8x40.
EPs: Pentax: XWs & XFs; TeleVue: Delites, Delos, Panoptic & Plossls; ES: 68, 62; Vixen: SLVs; Baader: BCOs, Aspherics, Mark IV.
Diagonals: Baader: BBHS mirror, Zeiss Spec T2 prism, Clicklock dielectric; TeleVue: Evebrite dielectric; AltairAstro: 2" prism.
Filters: Lumicon: DeepSky, UHC, OIII, H-beta; Baader: Moon & SkyGlow, Contrast Booster, UHC-S, 6-color set; Astronomik: UHC.
Solar: HA: Lunt 50mm single stack, W/L: Meade Herschel wedge.
Observing: DSOs: 3122 (Completed: Messier, Herschel 1, 2, 3. In progress: H2,500: 2196, S110: 77). Doubles: 2461, Comets: 34, Asteroids: 261
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Re: Binoviewers With 6" f5 Achro Vs 20x80 Achro Binoculars
Both are good instruments. As far as light-gathering go 20x80 binos are an equivalent of 110mm refractor. With 150mm scope you will be able to see fainter things, smaller things and see more details within the targets compared to 20x80 binos.Refractordude wrote: ↑Thu Sep 26, 2019 8:59 pm Would the 20x80 binoculars have a brighter view? The 20x80 binoculars would also have a wider view. The widest I could get with the
binoviewers and the 6" f/5 achromatic is a little over 2 degrees field of view. Am I correct?
Yes, max field of view of 150ST with 1.25" EPs is about 2deg, and 20x80 binos have 3 - 3.5 deg AFV. But then 8x40 binos have 8 deg AFV.
Mounts: SW: SkyTee2, AzGTi; iOptron: AZMP; ES: Twilight I; Bresser: EXOS2; UA: MicroStar.
Binos: APM: 100-90 APO; Canon: IS 15x50; Orion: Binoviewer, LG II 15x70, WV 10x50, Nikon: AE 16x50, 10x50, 8x40.
EPs: Pentax: XWs & XFs; TeleVue: Delites, Delos, Panoptic & Plossls; ES: 68, 62; Vixen: SLVs; Baader: BCOs, Aspherics, Mark IV.
Diagonals: Baader: BBHS mirror, Zeiss Spec T2 prism, Clicklock dielectric; TeleVue: Evebrite dielectric; AltairAstro: 2" prism.
Filters: Lumicon: DeepSky, UHC, OIII, H-beta; Baader: Moon & SkyGlow, Contrast Booster, UHC-S, 6-color set; Astronomik: UHC.
Solar: HA: Lunt 50mm single stack, W/L: Meade Herschel wedge.
Observing: DSOs: 3122 (Completed: Messier, Herschel 1, 2, 3. In progress: H2,500: 2196, S110: 77). Doubles: 2461, Comets: 34, Asteroids: 261
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The telescope without a binoviewer can achieve a 3.67°
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Not sure what you mean by brighter image? During the daytime? At night you don't want brightRefractordude wrote: ↑Fri Sep 27, 2019 3:29 am Bigzmey:
Can the binoviewers with the 6" achro put up a brighter image than the 20x80 binoculars. I don"t think so. What say you?
Mounts: SW: SkyTee2, AzGTi; iOptron: AZMP; ES: Twilight I; Bresser: EXOS2; UA: MicroStar.
Binos: APM: 100-90 APO; Canon: IS 15x50; Orion: Binoviewer, LG II 15x70, WV 10x50, Nikon: AE 16x50, 10x50, 8x40.
EPs: Pentax: XWs & XFs; TeleVue: Delites, Delos, Panoptic & Plossls; ES: 68, 62; Vixen: SLVs; Baader: BCOs, Aspherics, Mark IV.
Diagonals: Baader: BBHS mirror, Zeiss Spec T2 prism, Clicklock dielectric; TeleVue: Evebrite dielectric; AltairAstro: 2" prism.
Filters: Lumicon: DeepSky, UHC, OIII, H-beta; Baader: Moon & SkyGlow, Contrast Booster, UHC-S, 6-color set; Astronomik: UHC.
Solar: HA: Lunt 50mm single stack, W/L: Meade Herschel wedge.
Observing: DSOs: 3122 (Completed: Messier, Herschel 1, 2, 3. In progress: H2,500: 2196, S110: 77). Doubles: 2461, Comets: 34, Asteroids: 261
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https://oberwerk.com/product-category/b ... elescopes/
The price tag may look high. But consider that for 150ST you will need to get binoviewer and new focuser and prism diagonal, the price difference will be not as high, and you are getting ED optics with binocular scopes.
Mounts: SW: SkyTee2, AzGTi; iOptron: AZMP; ES: Twilight I; Bresser: EXOS2; UA: MicroStar.
Binos: APM: 100-90 APO; Canon: IS 15x50; Orion: Binoviewer, LG II 15x70, WV 10x50, Nikon: AE 16x50, 10x50, 8x40.
EPs: Pentax: XWs & XFs; TeleVue: Delites, Delos, Panoptic & Plossls; ES: 68, 62; Vixen: SLVs; Baader: BCOs, Aspherics, Mark IV.
Diagonals: Baader: BBHS mirror, Zeiss Spec T2 prism, Clicklock dielectric; TeleVue: Evebrite dielectric; AltairAstro: 2" prism.
Filters: Lumicon: DeepSky, UHC, OIII, H-beta; Baader: Moon & SkyGlow, Contrast Booster, UHC-S, 6-color set; Astronomik: UHC.
Solar: HA: Lunt 50mm single stack, W/L: Meade Herschel wedge.
Observing: DSOs: 3122 (Completed: Messier, Herschel 1, 2, 3. In progress: H2,500: 2196, S110: 77). Doubles: 2461, Comets: 34, Asteroids: 261
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The 20x80 binoculars would give me better views than the binoviewers attached to theLady Fraktor wrote: ↑Fri Sep 27, 2019 4:38 am Most binoviewers like the Celestron or Williams Optical have only around a 23mm clear aperture so only a 1.75° FOV
The telescope without a binoviewer can achieve a 3.67° FOV
My 150mm f/8 with binoviewers with 25mm aperture can get a 1.2° FOV or 2.3° FOV without.
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If "widerRefractordude wrote: ↑Fri Sep 27, 2019 9:41 pmThe 20x80 binoculars would give me better views than the binoviewers attached to theLady Fraktor wrote: ↑Fri Sep 27, 2019 4:38 am Most binoviewers like the Celestron or Williams Optical have only around a 23mm clear aperture so only a 1.75° FOV
The telescope without a binoviewer can achieve a 3.67° FOV
My 150mm f/8 with binoviewers with 25mm aperture can get a 1.2° FOV or 2.3° FOV without.achro , based on this information alone. This is the type of information I was hoping would come out. Did not know/understood that binoviewers have their ownaperture . Of course the 6"achro would best the 20x80 binoculars and the binoviewers withachro . However, it was binoviewers vs 20x80 binoculars info that I was after.
Thanks Lady Fraktor and you all
Is your question really about comparing 20x80's with a 150f5 with binoviewer at 20x? (ie: using ~40mm eyepieces, and with 8mm exit pupil) In this case the binoculars would more likely win out by giving a wider
I would say these instruments are complementary, not "either/or". If you are after nice wide fields at low-ish power and ease of carrying around though, why not go for hand-holdable binos like 10x50's to complement a 150f5 with binoviewer?
All the best,
Dean
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That really is a great post/reply to my question. I had/tried the 25x100, but returned them because the eye relief was to short. I then ordered the 20x80, and was really impressed with the wider field of view. My 20x80 Zhumells are sharp at around 90 percent, maybe more. I will look for that next time out. I use a parallelogram mount for them. Thus, the viewing positions are very comfortable. I think 15, 16, or 20x80 ed
My questions was to find out are 20x80 binoculars worth keeping, if I add a binoviewer to a 6" achor
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The only other thing you will need to think about isRefractordude wrote: ↑Sat Sep 28, 2019 3:28 am DeanD:
That really is a great post/reply to my question. I had/tried the 25x100, but returned them because the eye relief was to short. I then ordered the 20x80, and was really impressed with the wider field of view. My 20x80 Zhumells are sharp at around 90 percent, maybe more. I will look for that next time out. I use a parallelogram mount for them. Thus, the viewing positions are very comfortable. I think 15, 16, or 20x80 ed apo binoculars complimented with a 6" achro short tube is the way to go. My 20x80 binoculars show DSO just as bright as my 120mm f/8 telescope, which I use to increase mag. A 6" short tube will do even better. I really don't desire the 25x100 binoculars anymore.
My questions was to find out are 20x80 binoculars worth keeping, if I add a binoviewer to a 6" achor f/5.
Good luck,
Dean
Binos: Steiner Wildlife XP 10x26, Swarovski 8x30 Habicht, Zeiss SFL 8x40, Vanguard Endeavour 10.5x45, Fuji FMTR-SX 10x50, Tak 22x60, Orion Resolux 15x70
Eyepieces: way too many (is that possible?), but I do like my TV 32mm plossl, 13mm Nagler T6, 27mm Panoptic and 3-6mm Nagler zoom, plus Fujiyama 18mm and 25mm orthos and Tak 7.5mm LE
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That is great advice, thanks a lot. However, A 6" f5
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Re: Binoviewers With 6" f5 Achro Vs 20x80 Achro Binoculars
first of all, keep your 20x80 if you are satisfied with them.
For a binoviewer on a refractor, it is better to take a slower refractor, anyway.
As the binoviewer adds a splitter, you will loose more light if compared with just the zenit mirrors or prisms. So finally, each of your eyes will receive not the nearly 50% of light, but less light due to the loss on the splitter optics.
I have seen telescopes with binoviewers in outreach, and they are better suited for observing Moon and planets than for the nebulae and galaxies, people say.
Hoping this helps,
JG
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Never tried binoviewers myself, but on forums users indicate ~one magnitude loss on stars with binoviewers. One can still enjoy brighterj.gardavsky wrote: ↑Sun Sep 29, 2019 8:49 pm Hello Refractordude,
first of all, keep your 20x80 if you are satisfied with them.
For a binoviewer on a refractor, it is better to take a slower refractor, anyway.
As the binoviewer adds a splitter, you will loose more light if compared with just the zenit mirrors or prisms. So finally, each of your eyes will receive not the nearly 50% of light, but less light due to the loss on the splitter optics.
I have seen telescopes with binoviewers in outreach, and they are better suited for observing Moon and planets than for the nebulae and galaxies, people say.
Hoping this helps,
JG
Mounts: SW: SkyTee2, AzGTi; iOptron: AZMP; ES: Twilight I; Bresser: EXOS2; UA: MicroStar.
Binos: APM: 100-90 APO; Canon: IS 15x50; Orion: Binoviewer, LG II 15x70, WV 10x50, Nikon: AE 16x50, 10x50, 8x40.
EPs: Pentax: XWs & XFs; TeleVue: Delites, Delos, Panoptic & Plossls; ES: 68, 62; Vixen: SLVs; Baader: BCOs, Aspherics, Mark IV.
Diagonals: Baader: BBHS mirror, Zeiss Spec T2 prism, Clicklock dielectric; TeleVue: Evebrite dielectric; AltairAstro: 2" prism.
Filters: Lumicon: DeepSky, UHC, OIII, H-beta; Baader: Moon & SkyGlow, Contrast Booster, UHC-S, 6-color set; Astronomik: UHC.
Solar: HA: Lunt 50mm single stack, W/L: Meade Herschel wedge.
Observing: DSOs: 3122 (Completed: Messier, Herschel 1, 2, 3. In progress: H2,500: 2196, S110: 77). Doubles: 2461, Comets: 34, Asteroids: 261
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